tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post4749196917950411943..comments2023-11-02T00:51:25.494-07:00Comments on Shattered World : A Worse World War: Bobbyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08707410788628607465noreply@blogger.comBlogger164125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-69934746798122991032007-09-26T10:17:00.000-07:002007-09-26T10:17:00.000-07:00Great stuff, looking forward to more!Great stuff, looking forward to more!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-86932799634016657802007-09-06T12:25:00.000-07:002007-09-06T12:25:00.000-07:00Olefin here Remember the iron ore mines in Sweden ...Olefin here <BR/><BR/>Remember the iron ore mines in Sweden were in Russian hands till a few weeks ago - so the Allies are not going to be destroying iron ore mines in Russian hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-84052064727023452092007-09-05T21:41:00.000-07:002007-09-05T21:41:00.000-07:00HiI want to say I like this story, it's very good ...Hi<BR/><BR/>I want to say I like this story, it's very good if one uses SoB when it comes to ecomonics. Not sure about the economics at the start of the eurasian war as this has been a multi year read, i take that stalin wasn't the prick he was and didn't wack his army. Still hard to work out how he ould have started a war with Hitler in control.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, what I don't understand is why japan has a navy, why they have an army, infact why the US sub's havn't blockaded japan. There is no good reason for this not happening. There is no reason for the US to fight in China or for that matter most anywhere else in Asia. Japan had no realist chance of fighting the US and UK even with this timeline and with full tech sharing with the Germans when given the trade the germans did with the UK/US/France (which should have bancrupted the germans and led to mass stavation in the east since even they knew they could never produce enoughth food to feed the area they had conquered)<BR/><BR/>There is another problem, with the toing and throwing of populations, that should have effected food production, in our TL that was always a major problem and led to the german rule that others would starve before the germans would, which is the main reason why the decided that half the polish people would have to starve to death (they couldn't feed everyone) and also why there was no point in getting the soviet states to join them (transport was always a major problem).<BR/><BR/>anyway great story butjapan should be suffering from blockades, the scandanavian iron ore sites should be hit (why wern't they destroyed with the fall of norway) and north africa should be of no interest. The Uk should have Egypt and so you use a nuke in the ME to control the oil, once you have that the med fall's, well north africa does becouse of cheep subs after that Franco goes nuetral to save madrid and the UK get's the rock back, nukes are not wasted wining tactical objectives when they can win stratigic objectives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-20453995906927326302007-08-15T15:04:00.000-07:002007-08-15T15:04:00.000-07:00Olefin here Bobby let me be the first to say that ...Olefin here <BR/><BR/>Bobby let me be the first to say that the updated revision reads fantastic! Just about every logic hole is closed, the death ride is now explained (as in if they dont do it they wont have enough fuel to ever sortie again anyway), and the kamikaze attack is much more realistic.<BR/><BR/>And having Kyushu get nailed to suppress the air attacks out of there fully explains where those planes were and why they didnt participate in the final battle.<BR/><BR/>And the losses at Minsk are much more realistic now instead of only 25,000 over the course of 43 days in what is supposed to be a desperate battle.<BR/><BR/>And like the touch about the running convoy battles in the Canaries - just the little touch that brings it to life.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the revised update!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-49760045128872778242007-08-15T05:18:00.000-07:002007-08-15T05:18:00.000-07:00David hereFyi on the Italian carrier - sent Bobby ...David here<BR/><BR/>Fyi on the Italian carrier - sent Bobby some questions and here is the info he gave me<BR/><BR/>She has one sister carrier almost completed (she was the one that got damaged at Naples) and two others that are 18-24 months away in the early stages of development - which to me implies that Italy has the resources to build about 2 CV at a time<BR/><BR/>There are others that are of more advanced design but they are still on the drawing board.<BR/><BR/>The 75 planes are advanced Italian propellor aircraft, about as good as the best US/British propellor aircraft. At this time she isnt operating jets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-54892635221989176012007-08-13T16:02:00.000-07:002007-08-13T16:02:00.000-07:00David hereOne question I would like to know - how ...David here<BR/><BR/>One question I would like to know - how are the 200,000 plus defenders in Minsk still alive all this time? They are under almost constant gas and nerve gas attacks and have been now for quite a while. Now I know that the Russians stockpiled supplies there - but do you have any idea how many suits and cartridges would be needed to keep that many men alive under a sustained nerve gas attack that has now been going on for weeks? <BR/><BR/>I could see 50,000 or so still being alive - but to keep 200,000 alive they would have needed the gas equipment for almost a million men to stay alive under this kind of barrage for this long. If so, the rest of the Russian Army has to be running short of gas equipment. <BR/><BR/>So where did they get that level of equipment - and dont tell me men on foot were carrying enough suits and cartridges to stay alive all this time under nerve gas attack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-837992660278780172007-08-12T20:57:00.000-07:002007-08-12T20:57:00.000-07:00I don't think the Chinese communists are finished....I don't think the Chinese communists are finished. In OTL, they were the ones to really fight the Japanese, the Nationalists were to corrupt to fight out of a brown paper bag. If anything holds to the ATL, then the social base of the Nationalists would be totally undermined by the ChiComs, which wouldn't take much considering the pro-landlord approach the nationalists took across board.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, we really don't know what the USSR will do, especially sitting on Manchuria the way they are.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, the Korean partisan movement was always present in OTL and pounced as soon as the Japanese showed any weakness. This hasn't been explored very much or at all in this timeline, but perhaps it ought to.<BR/><BR/>David WaltersD. Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534202024416062943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-21428805524035973052007-08-11T09:26:00.000-07:002007-08-11T09:26:00.000-07:00David (Olefin) hereOne thing for sure about this u...David (Olefin) here<BR/><BR/>One thing for sure about this update - the bomber story at the beginning is very well written and I think some of the best stuff that Bobby has ever done - that was a very very good read, no matter what I though of the rest of the update. <BR/><BR/>And I mean that Bobby - that story made for compelling reading and is exactly why I so enjoy SW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-33855106616568347252007-08-10T13:46:00.000-07:002007-08-10T13:46:00.000-07:00The fragment is excellent. Keep up the good work !...The fragment is excellent. Keep up the good work !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-37785279168417469502007-08-10T13:36:00.000-07:002007-08-10T13:36:00.000-07:00David (Olefin) here - confirmed that the board is ...David (Olefin) here - confirmed that the board is back up so we dont have to use this any longer as the discussion point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-60124395952355524082007-08-10T03:28:00.000-07:002007-08-10T03:28:00.000-07:00ctwaterman again*yea team go back to the discussio...ctwaterman again<BR/><BR/>*yea team go back to the discussion board*... and I will see you all sometime after the 20th of August or whenever I see a computer again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-19991352164824707952007-08-09T21:52:00.000-07:002007-08-09T21:52:00.000-07:00ctwaterman againI Dont know David - What i do kno...ctwaterman again<BR/><BR/>I Dont know David - What i do know is that even if Japan had changed its training policy I would love to know when and where they got the extra fuel to do all those extra training flights for there new pilots.<BR/><BR/>I know Bobby has the Germans providing Japan Oil from roughly 1941 till 1945/46 because otherwise we know what happens. But since 1945 when Germany went back to war with France and GB Oil shipments have been cut off to Japan. Japan captured the Dutch East Indies but they certainly didnt hold them long enough to completely repair them and exploit them and with the US holding the PI that creates a very nasty choke point that all Japanese Oil tankers had to sail past. And once the Japanese were repulsed and the USAAC started building up Oil flow would have been very difficult with Bombers and Subs operating from basis within 400 Miles of the trade routes.<BR/><BR/>Anyway Japanese Oil production has just taken a very hard slam and massed attacks once the 7th Fleet moves into support range of the Invasion fleet will mean attacking directly into the fighter strength of at least 7 Essex class carriers. In addition the US should be staging land based aircraft out of Formosa and costal Japan. Plus the US support might be moving up slower then the Main Invasion fleet. The US CVE might very well be moving in an at Leyte Gulf the US CVE carried between 400-500 Additional combat aircraft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-66917514404726610112007-08-09T21:02:00.000-07:002007-08-09T21:02:00.000-07:00David here - good point CT. All I can think of is...David here - good point CT. All I can think of is that either, in this battle, the Japanese had more jets than the Americans did and that help offset the kill ration - i.e. maybe the majority of the carriers were older ones that couldnt handle jets and a large proportion of the Japanese fighters were jets - or - alternatively that the Japanese changed their training policies quite a while ago and that they still have at least some decent pilots that can still hold their own.<BR/><BR/>Course we also dont know how many planes the Japanese sent from Okinawa - perhaps the Americans were heavily outnumbered and that could explain the 2 to 1 kill ratio - or they only had a small CAP up initially that was, again, heavily outnumbered and thus led to the kill ratio being what it was.<BR/><BR/>For this late in the war that kill ratio is still very very favorable to Japan - and doesnt bode well for the US if the Japanese do launch mass (i.e. 500 plane plus) attacks against the ships at Okinawa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-64328950549137149972007-08-09T20:56:00.000-07:002007-08-09T20:56:00.000-07:00David here - actually I dont have thin skin - if I...David here - actually I dont have thin skin - if I did I wouldnt have posted as much as I have here. Plus just following the rules per Bobby - as he said if you want to post then dont do it anonymously.<BR/><BR/>Now either post something constructive about the update or something else about SW - or please go find somewhere else to play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-33429868045197009802007-08-09T20:53:00.000-07:002007-08-09T20:53:00.000-07:00ctwaterman againI have to say that Japan surviving...ctwaterman again<BR/><BR/>I have to say that Japan surviving 4 years of the total attention of the US economy would take more then a Miracle it would take a direct intervention from on Hi.<BR/><BR/>Basically I was discussing this with other board members and I wanted to state a few things.<BR/><BR/>1. Look at the Kill ratio of Japanese Losses over Okinawa and in air to air combat. 2 Japanese Shot Down to each US Aircraft shot down. These combat losses are more indicative of 1942 then of 1945 style combat. Basically Japan has been at war with the US since 1946 [3 years] they have lost there aircraft in China, they have lost there aircraft in Manchuria, they have lost Burma. Basically there aircraft losses in Bobbys ATL have to be much worse then in OTL where the IJAAF in China was still largely intact but without fuel in 1945. But basically what I didnt see was a proper US-Japanese kill ratio. The US maintained a better then 12 to 1 Kill ratio in this period and I didnt see a Marriana's Turkey shoot between US and Japanese Pilots. <BR/><BR/>By 1944/45 the Japanese adopted Suicide tactics for a variety of reasons but one of the most important was that Japanese Pilots attacking the USN Fleet simply werenot comming home anyway. Between the US fighters and the US 5"/38 Cal gun with proximity fuzes and then the 40 MM and 20 MM cannon the Japanese would send out 100 Aircraft and if they were lucky they would get maybe 10 or less back.<BR/><BR/>I have posted why the US maintained such kill rates on the board before but I will some up. A huge pre-war pilot training program. Huge amounts of fuel for pilot training and advanced pilot training. Pilot rotation programs. And armor and self sealing fuel tanks meant more pilots lived to go home and train the next squadrons and become that squadron XO or CO of flight leaders. Its indicative of how the air war was going that in 1944/45 a Green US pilot fresh from training had 500 Hours of flight time, a German Pilot less than 75 hours and a Japanese pilot usually under 10 hours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-8140769259929722932007-08-09T20:37:00.000-07:002007-08-09T20:37:00.000-07:00Or you can just lurk and put people down from behi...Or you can just lurk and put people down from behind the veil of the net and thus be ignored.<BR/><BR/>You didnt.<BR/><BR/>If people have incredibly thin skin then so be it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-78240275284668359172007-08-09T20:33:00.000-07:002007-08-09T20:33:00.000-07:00David here - like I said - if you want to put down...David here - like I said - if you want to put down a board member then at least have the guts - or the brains - to put down your name when you do it. Thats why we identify ourselves here - so we know who is saying what and can respond appropriately. <BR/><BR/>Or you can just lurk and put people down from behind the veil of the net and thus be ignored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-203576662619336832007-08-09T20:23:00.000-07:002007-08-09T20:23:00.000-07:00David here - if you have the guts to post this the...David here - if you have the guts to post this then have the guts to put your name on it - as Bobby said - if you are a member of the board then put your name as part of the post.<BR/><BR/>Guts..internet...yeah I think I'll let real life actions dictate that lol. Also not a forum member, just a long time (ish) lurker, forum is good for a read, between gaming, work and another forum I dont have the time,not that it matters, people usually post exactly what I'm thinking about that particular threads topic anyway.<BR/><BR/>As for your comment - put it where the sun doesnt shine.<BR/><BR/>lol since its 5am here, on the shelf might be a good spot. XDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-30741014891368516382007-08-09T20:05:00.000-07:002007-08-09T20:05:00.000-07:00David here - fyi the board must be reloading - cou...David here - fyi the board must be reloading - could sign in at 11pm EST but couldnt send messages, read topics or post - but at least could access it and sign in - figure by Fri with luck maybe it will be back upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-60136330575669786802007-08-09T19:35:00.000-07:002007-08-09T19:35:00.000-07:00David here - fyi for those who dont know the geogr...David here - fyi for those who dont know the geography of the area - there would still be islands in the Okinawa prefecture that would have operational airfields that havent been nuked yet - assuming that the US will be hitting them as well - the Japanese would have airfields at:<BR/><BR/>Iejima - that's where Ernie Pyle died in WWII<BR/><BR/>Kume - not sure if there ever was an airbase there - they did base seaplanes there <BR/><BR/>Miyako-jima to the southwest of Okinawa has a decent size airbase<BR/><BR/>Ishigaki airbase - even further southwest and home to a major airbase - most likely would have been used as a ferry point for flights into the enclaves<BR/><BR/>I would think that Ishigaki and Miyako-jima may be used by the Japanese to try to stage medium bombers out of the hit the ships near Okinawa from the south with K-24 rockets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-4664307586784465112007-08-09T19:25:00.000-07:002007-08-09T19:25:00.000-07:00David hereHi Roel - I think the Carolines may have...David here<BR/><BR/>Hi Roel - I think the Carolines may have some small ships - probably nothing bigger though than a patrol boat or MTB - the US would have made sure anything bigger than a DE got sunk by now. <BR/><BR/>The Japanese probably still have a lot of small boats off China and Korea as well - but trying to use patrol boats and MTB's offensively against total air superiority is pretty much useless. Most likely they will be turned into suicide craft or just anchored and their guns taken ashore.<BR/><BR/>The Japanese will use whatever is left of their naval ships - most likely as I said a few DD and DDE spread between Korea, Japan and Sakhalin - to escort the shipping that is still going between those areas. There could still be some minor surface actions - but eventually those ships will be lost as well - just a matter of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-67543791214997006522007-08-09T19:16:00.000-07:002007-08-09T19:16:00.000-07:00Thanks David for agreeing about Japan which I stil...Thanks David for agreeing about Japan which I still doubt will being able to do anything except project a brown water fleet witch the probably are now and in the future the will surely be nothing more then a country that is isolistic and militaristic with a A-bomb.<BR/><BR/>And I agree also with David that people should put their names when the post so whey now who is posting it.<BR/><BR/>David I like your left fleet units for the IJN but have one question do the Carolines have MTB ore small ships ore do the Japanese have no navy presence there.lordroelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09481013489671904880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-49750685187093978792007-08-09T19:14:00.000-07:002007-08-09T19:14:00.000-07:00David hereBobby a question - when Iwo was nuked di...David here<BR/><BR/>Bobby a question - when Iwo was nuked did the radiation cloud also get Chichi-jima? Thats the island where George Bush got shot down during WWII - its to the northeast of Iwo which is not the typical direction for winds coming from there. Just wondering as that island was a major point for Japanese radio communication and surveillance operations in the Pacific, It had two radio stations on top of its two mountains and was one of the Navy's big targets in WWII OTL. With Iwo gone it and Haha-jima are the only real outposts the Japanese have left in the area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-62158173854077804952007-08-09T19:03:00.000-07:002007-08-09T19:03:00.000-07:00David here - I agree with you Roel about Japan -I ...David here - <BR/><BR/>I agree with you Roel about Japan -I cant see them ever becoming anything other than a small regional power like North Korea. The big question for them will be will they ever get nukes - they may end up more focused on bio and chemical weapons as their weapons of mass destruction and leave the nukes to the big boys.<BR/><BR/>China is really interesting - depending on what happens they could become anything from a really reliable US ally to an eventual superpower rival as they are now. It all depends on what is left of Russia and if the ChiComms hold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2935524795017491645.post-65797939768060727442007-08-09T18:58:00.000-07:002007-08-09T18:58:00.000-07:00David here - if you have the guts to post this the...David here - if you have the guts to post this then have the guts to put your name on it - as Bobby said - if you are a member of the board then put your name as part of the post. <BR/><BR/>As for your comment - put it where the sun doesnt shine.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous said... <BR/>Ole finished crying yet?<BR/><BR/>Great update Bobby. <BR/><BR/>August 9, 2007 4:35 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com